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posted by [personal profile] perldiver at 06:02pm on 16/04/2009
So I decided to bleach my sink, because that's the first step in the Shine Your Sink recipe from FlyLady.net, a website that [livejournal.com profile] yummygirl pointed me to on how to get the household side of your life under better control.  (Yeah, not too much backstory in THAT sentence!)

So I get the sink filling, I fill a 1-cup measure with bleach, dump it in, and then start to put the cup measure in the dishwasher.  "Ah," I think.  "The dishwasher is full, I'll run it."  Then Mr. Minopoli's voice drifts back to me from 11th-grade chemistry saying "Hey! Chlorine bleach leftovers on the cup, plus dishwasher detergent...chlorine gas ring any bells?" 

All things considered, I'll wait until the sink is empty, then clean it by hand before sticking it in the 'washer for double surety.

Two thoughts remain: 
  • I can't actually remember what the active ingredient in detergent that causes the reaction.  For that matter, is it even dishwasher detergent?  Can't quite recall.
  • Thank you, Mr. Minopoli.  As much of a pest as I'm sure I was with all my questions, you were a wonderful teacher.

[Update:  Ammonia!  That's it!] 

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posted by [personal profile] avram at 01:07am on 17/04/2009
You could clean the cup in the bathroom sink.
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posted by [identity profile] perldiver.livejournal.com at 02:06am on 17/04/2009
It occurred to me. But I couldn't be bothered. :>
 
posted by [identity profile] sff-corgi.livejournal.com at 05:23am on 20/04/2009
Dave, Dave, Dave. There's not enough chlorine there to generate any amount of gas that will cause you problems.

You'd need like a cup full of bleach and a whole bucketful of towels used to clean up after Naughty Defiant Corgis in a washing machine before getting enough to make you sorry you didn't hold your breath first.

(No damage, really - just a really stern reminder.)

Anyway, I was hoping you'd tell me why I can't access the Kayuda website after not messing around with it for holy-cow-has-it-been-that-long. I can't find anything in your posts and the comm hasn't been updated for two years, so nothing's telling me anything.
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posted by [identity profile] perldiver.livejournal.com at 03:37pm on 20/04/2009
A) it *was* a full cup of bleach. OTOH, a few spoonfuls of detergent is, as you say, very unlikely to have provided enough reagent to form much chlorine.

On the gripping hand, why take the chance? Even if it doesn't hurt /me/, the chlorine could react with / corrode something in the dishwasher, or have other mildly harmful effects on my kitchen. Easier just to leave the cup sit for a bit.


As to Kayuda...it's been dead for a while now. The announcement was made over a year ago that the company was shutting down and that, although I would be leaving the servers up for a while at my own expense, everyone should get their stuff exported ASAP. A month or so ago, I sold the servers to the hosting company (for about 1/30 of what I paid for them :< ) and shut it down. I'm sorry if you never got the announcement.
 
posted by [identity profile] sff-corgi.livejournal.com at 04:18pm on 21/04/2009
Waitwaitwait, I thought the bleach was cleaning the sink and the empty cup was going into the dishwasher...?

I can't fault you for being safe, though. :)

I'm sorry about Kayuda - I inferred that from what I found, although the last entry in the comm had no indications of doom. I'm not sure how I missed the announcement; I didn't have anything too important on there, but I really liked it while I was poking around. May I ask what happened?
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posted by [identity profile] perldiver.livejournal.com at 04:23pm on 21/04/2009
Bleach: Oh, sorry, I see what you meant. Yes, you're right, the empty cup was going in.

Kayuda...The necessary and sufficient problem was that we didn't have a viable business model. We had an awesome piece of technology that could do many things no one else could do, but we didn't know how to actually make money with it.--or at least not lose money. There were some other issues as well, but everything else could have been solved if we had just been able to break even. That one was my fault...I started the company with inaccurate and/or unrealistic expectations about viral growth and the availability of advertising dollars.
 
posted by [identity profile] sff-corgi.livejournal.com at 04:49pm on 21/04/2009
I'm sorry for that - I wouldn't know a business model if it bit me, myself. :/ Otherwise maybe I wouldn't be so very unemployed right now and be self-employed instead.

Are you going to make another try with it at some point, maybe a partnership?
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posted by [identity profile] perldiver.livejournal.com at 03:51am on 22/04/2009
Well, first I'd have to come up with a believable business model for it, which would probably require significant restructuring of the code to fit it to a particular purpose. I don't know that I'm interested in doing that.

More likely I'll eventually get around to releasing it as open source. That's not a trivial process though; I'd have to dig up an old archive (which I /think/ I have, but I'm not sure), then I'd have to get the code into some form that I was willing to release--my developer staff never thought that silly things like "documentation" were worth doing, even when the CEO (that would be me) demanded them. Once it's in a decent form, I'd have to really think through how I feel about the various licenses...GPL and BSD would be the main candidates, but there are things that I dislike about both of them. Maybe Perl Artistic License, actually, which is pretty good on its own and gives the user the option of defaulting to GPL.


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